Tuesday, November 04, 2008

Prop 8 Again, before we know what is decided

Before Prop 8 Is decided...

I understand People are coming up with all sorts of lies and arguments for and against prop 8.

but I don't get the whole fight.  From what I understand... 

As of 2007, California affords domestic partnerships all of the same rights and responsibilities as marriages under state law (Cal. Fam. Code §297.5). 
Among these:
Making health care decisions for each other in certain circumstances 
Hospital and jail visitation rights that were previously reserved for family members related by blood, adoption or marriage to the sick, injured or incarcerated person.
Access to family health insurance plans (Cal. Ins. Code §10121.7)
Spousal insurance policies (auto, life, homeowners etc..), this applies to all forms of insurance through the California Insurance Equality Act (Cal. Ins. Code §381.5)
Sick care and similar family leave
Stepparent adoption procedures
Presumption that both members of the partnership are the parents of a child born into the partnership
Suing for wrongful death of a domestic partner
Rights involving wills, intestate succession, conservatorships and trusts
The same property tax provisions otherwise available only to married couples (Cal. R&T Code §62p)
Access to some survivor pension benefits
Supervision of the Superior Court of California over dissolution and nullity proceedings
The obligation to file state tax returns as a married couple (260k) commencing with the 2007 tax year (Cal R&T Code §18521d)
The right for either partner to take the other partner's surname after registration
Community property rights and responsibilities previously only available to married spouses
The right to request partner support (alimony) upon dissolution of the partnership (divorce)
The same parental rights and responsibilities granted to and imposed upon spouses in a marriage

So I guess I don't get the whole battle. Becuase it seems like they all ready have all the same legal rights in CA based upon Cal. Fam. Code §297.5, Cal. Ins. Code §10121.7, Cal. Ins. Code §381.5 etc.

"I said they very un sensitively, please don't take office b/c of my uneloquence, every thing was meant with love and truely trying to figure out what this is really all about."

It seems like Marrige so far has meant Man+Women and Domestic partner means Man + Man or Women + Women (and Man+ Women if one is over 62) in leagal terms and other then that all rights are equal.  So it seems like this whole fight is over is just over leagal jargon.  Does legal jargon really matter much? 

will changing the leagal jargon change much? It may and if it truely will fine. If it will help ppl to stop hate crimes, and other things against Homosexuals fine.  I don't want any of that to happen to anyone or any living thing.

All I know is that this proposition has caused a lot of hate, termoil, strife etc. on both sides and for that reason I wish it were over.

1 comment:

Tim Jungbluth said...

Of course I have to comment... :-)

But it's a very lay-back and debate-avoiding one this time... :-)

What if we all went for a "spirit of mutual respect and civility" (sic)... and forget all about prop8... (just put it in the freezer, or in the campaign of some old retarded Republican...)

I'm sure the world would be a better place... (Although, following Nov.4th... it already became a much better place, right?) :-D